and falsehoods that romney told? >> look, martin, i mean, first of all, there's been plenty of people have pointed out what a liar mitt romney is and was last night. i mean, if he was talking, he was -- if he was speaking last night, he was lying. and, look, the president was trying to have a conversation with the american people, and this is not a president who is prone to come in and throw out a bunch of zingers -- >> but brad, but brad, i get your point about the president addressing the nation, but this was a debate between two men. >> correct. >> let's be frank, the moderator in this debate appeared not to have much of a role. these two men were allowed, as it were, to go at it as you like to put it. so, again, i have to ask you, was the president remiss in not challenging his opponent? >> well, look, i don't think so. look -- >> you really don't? you really don't think so? >> let me say here, martin, anybody that's seen this president over the past five years knows that he's someone that wants to have an adult